>> it is partly partisan, but mainly it is generational. there is a massive gap. look at over 65 and under 35 and it is huge. pro-israeli over 65 and pro- palestinian under 35. the generational shift is what is making people go crazy. mitt romney said this week, they say palestine way too often on tick-tock. >> he is saying the quiet part out loud. again, not smart if you want young people to actually vote. they happen to like tick-tock and make money on it. and they see something that they see as wrong and they have a moral compass. there is nothing wrong with that. always good to see you. thank you for being here. that is tonight's "reidout". you can follow me on tiktok and instagram and follow our show accounts on instagram and tiktok. "all in with chris hayes" starts now. tonight on "all in" -- >> this was very much a

defense. she was mocking stormy daniels. >> donald trump's attorneys mock and shame stormy daniels. >> she wants the jury to think stormy daniels is a liar and she is crazy and also wants the jurors to judge her for her occupation. >> and the peoples witness apparently holds her own. >> and she said if i was going to make this up, i would have made it a much better story. >> tonight, the wild cross- examination of the woman at the center of the cover-up and why trump's denial of the affair hurt his defense. >> the denial puts the jury in the position to choose who they believe. >> and the two big rulings that caused the defendant to storm off. >> i'm not supposed to be here. plus, is a sitting republican senator helping skirt to the judge's gag order? >> this is just a bunch of

democrats saying we want to make sure that donald trump can't talk. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i am chris hayes. donald trump selection interference trial rolled on today. there were some fireworks and there was also a lot of mudslinging. some of it even came outside the courtroom, not from trump, but from another florida man, senator rick scott. that is him there. a real live senator, missing votes to be there. we will have more on what he said, later in the show. inside the courtroom as stormy daniels finished her second and final day of testimony with three hours of grueling cross- examination, trump's lawyers put most of their energy into painting her as a liar, a gold digger and worst of all, at least for the defendant, a trump heater. for most of those three hours trump attorney susan necheles grill daniels about every penny she made from strip club tours to tv shows to candles.

yes, candles, that portrayed the former adult dome actress as the patron saint of indictments. at one point she asked, you were selling yourself to people who hate president trump as someone who would get president trump indicted, right? to which she replied, i was not selling myself to anyone. i feel duty bound to stop for a moment, because you know who was selling themselves this week? you will never guess. >> for the first time we are creating a real, physical trump card. purchase 47 digital cards and we will mail you a beautiful trading card. it is an authentic piece of the suit i wore when i took the now famous mug shot and it was a great suit, believe me, a really good suit. it is all cut up and you will get a piece of it. i will be autographing some of them. a true collectors item. something to give to your family, to your kids, to your grandchildren.

with the purchase of 47 digital trading cards you will be invited to join me for a dinner at my beautiful mar-a-lago. >> you have to get 47 cards and the virtual ones and then you get a physical one, which has like a diced up piece of the suit. like a tiny part that you get to walk around with. that dinner donald trump was talking to purchasers of his trading cards was held at mar-a- lago last night on the trials off day, of course. donald trump is used similar schemes for a sneaker line, trump branded cologne and a bible. i digress. stormy daniels according to trump's lawyers is the one trying to trade on her brand. they also argued today she was untrustworthy for divulging the story of her affair with trump even after being paid off and signing a nondisclosure agreement. asking her, even though you agreed you would not discuss this story and you received a

lot of money for that agreement, you then decided you wanted to publicly say you had sex with president trump, right? daniels answered, no, nobody would ever want to publicly say that. she added, i wanted to publicly defend myself after people attacking me after michael cohen told about the story. trump's attorneys, i should note, failed to mention that by the time daniels did speak out about the affair it had already been reported to the public by the wall street journal. the trump legal team, for pretty obvious reasons, did not get into detail on the sexual encounter, in part because they are still suggesting it never happened. but they did talk a lot about sex work. after listing adult film credits, necheles said to daniels, you have a lot of experience making funny stories about sex, to which daniel responded, wow, that's not how i would put it. the sex in the films is very much real, like what happened to me in the room.

necheles tried again saying, now there is a story you are telling about president trump. daniels replied, if that story was untrue, i would have written it to be a lot better. prosecutor susan hoffinger walked daniels through the facts on redirect and asked, on balance has your publicly telling the truth about trump been positive or negative for your life? daniels replied with a single word, negative. after daniels left the stand, jurors heard from two archival witnesses to read evidence into the record including an executive from harpercollins, the company that published the 2008 how to book, think big, make it happen in business and life. she read several excerpts including a telling one. i just can't stomach disloyalty. i put the people who are loyal to me on a high pedestal and take care of them very well. talking about someone who disappointed him, trump said this woman was very disloyal and now i go out of my way to

make her life miserable. he added, my motto is always get even. when somebody screws you, screw them back. that is great writing, isn't it? trump's lawyers moved again for a mistrial, saying stormy daniels' testimony was so insignificant that the case could not stand. judge merchan disagreed, saying once again that if the defense did not like it, they should have objected more during the testimony. that did not sit well with the defendant, who could barely wait until he was out of the courtroom to sound off. >> i'm not allowed to because this judge is corrupt. he is a corrupted judge. this judge, what he did and what his ruling was was a disgrace. everyone saw what happened today. he has a corrupt judge and conflicted. i've got to get back on the campaign trail. i'm not supposed to be here. we are supposed to -- i'm so innocent. >> campaign trail like dinners

at mar-a-lago. judge merchan also refused a request to ease the gag order so he could respond in public to stormy daniels' testimony. joining me now, two people at the courthouse today. msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin and harry litman. great to have you guys. three different things happening. there is the cross and redirect. there is the sort of hearing about the mistrial, which is interesting and the last witness who got sworn and will be continuing tomorrow. let's start with stormy daniels. we had her on the stand when last i talked to you i think on tuesday. the cross today, how did it go? >> for who, is the question. i think it went really well for the prosecution and the reason is because while there are very small differences in stormy daniels story, look, this is an event that happened in 2006.

it is 2024. the fact that susan necheles went on for seven pages on whether stormy daniels was consistent or not about saying whether or not they had dinner is beside the point. they were nibbling at the margins and increasingly making her more sympathetic for attacking her for things that were either socially regressive for the same kinds of things that their own client does. for example, as you said in the opening, selling himself. stormy daniels was selling merchandise. donald trump sells merchandise all the time in addition to his nfts and suits. he is selling gold sneakers. he's selling bibles. stormy daniels sells a t-shirt that says team stormy on it. what does that mean? that means anybody who hates donald trump, doesn't it? she said no, it means anyone who is basically on my side. the way she tried to shame her and exploit minor inconsistencies in her story over a period of years, i

thought backfired on them, and if anything made them seem all the more determined and resolute in the core details of her story. >> when you were here last you were saying that she is an interesting witness and compelling, but you are not sure what the jury makes of her. her presentation and her line of work, i think, is going to be fairly new to most people. i don't know. in terms of what she does for a living. you were trying to mentally model what the jury was thinking. what is your thinking about that after watching today? >> i basically agree with lisa. necheles lands a few jabs, but she needs a knockout punch. she did not come close. also as a matter of technique, she did a lot. you showed a couple of questions. isn't it a fact? daniels coolly said no, false, et cetera. so that stopped her in her tracks and then this misstep of basically suggesting, well, if

you work in adult films you could not possibly be cowed by a 60-year-old billionaire looming over you. i think that was a false note that was offensive and in general i've got to say, i thought the cross examination must control. you want the jury looking at you. if anything, stormy was controlling the dynamic in the room and you could see who the jury was looking at. >> right. they are hitting the ball. you have it. your controlling where the ball goes. >> and controlling the pace and everything. and i agree with harry, she was not only a controlling witness, but she was the rare witness who is better on cross- examination then she was on direct. on direct she meandered. she wanted to tell her truth, which does not fit neatly into merchan's rules. >> that point you made, because you said earlier, i thought

that the nuts and defense, which is a famous reference to attacking anita hill. this woman when she came forward with allegations against clarence thomas, she cannot be trusted. that is how he described her. so just to put the context for that, because we played it in the intro. here is necheles talking about stormy daniels. you acted and had sex in 200 movies, right? and there naked men and women having sex including yourself, right? according to you sing a man sitting on a bed and a t-shirt and boxer shorts was so upsetting that you got lightheaded and almost fainted, right? yes, when you're not expecting a man twice your age to be in their underwear, i have seen my husband naked almost every day. if i came out of the bathroom and it was not my husband and

it was mr. trump on the bed, i would probably have the same reaction. that is well said. what did you think of this line of inquiry, which is, you are a porn star, how could you be offended? >> it was even more offensive. how dare you think you have the right to consent? i came across to me was because of what you do for your line of work you must have a sign around your neck that basically says open to all. stormy daniels was very clear. i might do that for a living, but i choose when i do it for a living and how and when, right? not to do it with a 60-year-old man who i found repugnant and was looming over me in a way that felt like an imbalance of power i was not into. >> just notice when talking about that, necheles is conceding that she has got to make it look like the whole thing is fantasy. they never had sex at all. so when she is asking details about what she said and didn't say, it was very scattershot and you see what happens when you

lead with your chin. >> this was also one more thing, because this i think relates to the hearing, right? once again, motion to dismiss. they had a motion to dismiss on tuesday, it was denied. the motion to dismiss here was basically this was all prejudicial, outside the bounds. my understanding of that was that part of the defense, part of the ruling by merchan was this stays in, because you said it did not happen. i want to come to that in the second, but first, this i think is from the first day. the line of questioning, which is, you made it up. this was your career over 20 years. you have a lot of experience making phony stories about sex appear to be real, right? wow, that's not how i would put it. the sex in the films is very much real, like what happened to me in that room. you write these stories.

stormy daniels, no. the sex is real. the character names might be deferent, but the sex is very real. that's why it's pornography. which i thought was a very funny line. >> and i tell you what was not funny about it? first of all, that happened today. what i got out of it was the phrase, what happened to me. she allowed her, again, to control the narrative and make it this was something dramatic that happened to me, not this thing that i participated in willingly. i thought that was very impactful and the turn of phrase. just like what happened to me in that room. >> so when we get to the mistrial, first of all, how does it physically happen? is that a sidebar? >> first of all, in an average trial day, two or three things happen. i think today was five or six, so it was eventful and that was one of them. normally you think an argument at the end of the day will be

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so, day 14 of donald trump

selection interference trial is over. back with me at the table, lisa rubin and harry litman. when we left you were talking about at the end of the day there was a hearing. the jury leaves and the judge dressed down trump's lawyers, who were petitioning for a mistrial based on stormy daniels' testimony. >> first they gave their whole spiel and the d.a. basically said he's not telling the truth, but it was as if the judge memorized the order and had it in his head. he told todd blanche -- >> trump's lawyer. >> sorry, well, there were two different lawyers. he said i can't trust you based on the record. we are not changing the gag order. when it came to the mistrial he eviscerated their technique. he said you did not object and then on your cross he went over this at length. the big thing is, you are the one who put this in play, because you started out accusing her of lying in your

opening. you did not talk about the records. i think the way he said these messy details, they are what those to motive and you put his motive at issue by denying the whole thing. so, trump, who really has forced them into this position, made them untenable and -- >> they are saying all of these messy details are prejudicial and therefore we should have a mistrial. his response is, i think we talked about this the first day. blanche gets up in opening arguments and appears to deny that any of this happened. so, merchan basically says your denial in opening arguments makes all this relevant. >> correct. >> she needs the details to establish her credibility. >> blanche kettering to say this isn't the story she told ami, not the story she told -- and in terms of these details

the person that knows whether they are true or not is your client. >> exactly. he is the one who has the motive to pay the hush money. >> it is why the messy details are, themselves, proof of his motive. >> also an interesting twisting of the knife from the d.a.s office. steinglass says there are other details i don't want to put on the record. i'm happy to make a sealed record about salacious details that were deliberately omitted, because we did not have the desire to embarrass the defendant. >> can i say it on tv? >> i guess. >> i've never felt a 60-year- old before and it was gross. that is something she said. five or six questions, all of these details really about the two or three hours. >> he cited that as one of his examples. stormy daniels was 27 years old

at the time. she didn't know what a 60-year- old man's skin felt like and across her out. we could have elicited that and other things put under seal. >> time marches on for all of us. just to be clear on that. the other thing that happened today, i mean, there were a bunch of things you said, but i want to move to madeleine westerhout and maybe you can set up who she was. >> she was trump's executive assistant at the white house. she worked for the rnc prior to the election. she was fired in 2019 because she was invited to what she thought was an off the record dinner with reporters. she allegedly had something to drink and she was indiscreet. by her own admission she spilled some tea about the trump daughters and their relationship with their father. it was at that point that she was let go. that came out today and she was the second former trump white

house aide to cry on the stand about how apologetic she was. clearly even more than hope hicks she holds this man in very high esteem and was devastated by the breakup with him and still is. >> she spoke very highly of him, has huge respect. he listened to my feedback. she really thinks very highly of donald trump. i was struck by that, because you don't get a ton of people. she says that mistake cost me my job. i am regretful for my indiscretion. i feel like i've learned from the experience. she starts to cry and is offered a tissue and says, i'm okay. what was she there to testify about? >> she was there to actually just stitch up the fedex checks and the back-and-forth. >> the president writing the checks from the white house. >> i thought it was an effective few minutes for him. other people may be disagreed, but i think they would've

called her. that would have been the risk if the d.a. hadn't, so maybe it was to take the sting out. but it was, and arresting moment. as lisa says, the second time. in this book, i think everyone is going to wonder, what did she say? if that comes in, because something she really laid it on thick about. she wrote a book of contrition and confession but it came out that what she said to these reporters, she really said, you know, i've got a better relationship with the daughters than he does and she really was snarky about it and we don't know why she was fired, but this was, you know, a pretty big deal and if it comes out, then the jurors i think will have a different picture of her. >> there was one really good thing they got out of her, if i can. it's that the checks were not

sent directly to her at the white house. they were sent to other personal residences and necheles try to get out of her that the reason they did that was to circumvent the white house mail system, but that does not hold up and she would not agree with that, either. >> she also laid it on really thick about the great relationship with melania, so that gives them grist in the closing. >> you are saying for the defense? >> for the defense, yeah. >> quickly, preview tomorrow. we don't think michael cohen will be tomorrow, right? >> i don't think so, but i think we have other custodial witnesses to hear from including ones who could authenticate videotapes that might come in. remember, trump's own words. could there be more? stay tuned. >> speaking of which, another big point today, the admission that he reimbursed michael cohen went in quickly through stormy. we have been talking about this for weeks in the civil suit. he convinced -- he confessed to

it. that is now in evidence. >> as always, fantastic. see you again soon. still ahead, in addition outside the criminal courthouse in manhattan where one republican senator is helping trump get around his gag order. that story, next. i was stuck.

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across all of donald trump's cases and trials we have seen him get away with behavior no other defendant could.

we've seen judge after judge try to rein him in, issuing a gag order like the one currently prohibiting him from talking about witnesses, court staff and family members in his case. over and over again trump crosses the line. in his criminal trial in new york judge merchan held trump in contempt for violating the gag order 10 times. earlier this week he threatened the former president with jail time. so far none of it seems to have deterred him. trump has a parallel strategy. imagine having your very own united states senator. a man so embarrassing he is willing to travel to new york, miss a vote in d.c., to come to the criminal trial and humiliate himself outside in the street in public, like a sad ventriloquist puppet doing all of the whining trump is legally barred from doing. ladies and gentlemen, i give you florida man rick scott, and actual united states senator. >> the lead prosecutor was the

number three person at the biden justice department. the judges daughter is a political operative. raises money for democrats. you've got the elite prosecutors a wife, a significant donor to democrats. giving to biden. so this is just a bunch of democrats saying we want to make sure that donald trump can't talk. >> that seems like a good rule, you can't have a wife or daughter doing anything. the writer and editor of protect democracy who previously served as a republican communications director on capitol hill joins me now. i have to say i have never had the highest opinion of rick scott, a man who oversaw a hospital chain that paid the largest fraud settlement in the history of medicaid, medicare, if i am not mistaken. that said i was surprised when the notice was put out yesterday that he was going to

do this. were you? >> look, the gag order that was issued to trump to protect the court proceeding strictly prevents trump from directing other people to make statements that he cannot. so if rick scott did that, that is a direct violation of the order. okay, that is what the judge should be monitoring. what i think is completely evident is that rick scott is following trump's public direction, right? we have seen trump publicly attack judges and their family members as a routine matter of business throughout these court proceedings and other operations. it is so routine that his former white house counsel gave an interview to politico saying when he does this, when he attacks family members, it is a strategic act designed around his traditional approach of de- legitimizing these proceedings.

that is a lawyer who knows how trump operates, saying this is how he does it. so all that rick scott or anyone else who wants to be in trump's favor has to do is say okay, this is what trump is like and these are attacks that trump himself has made. putting that aside, we can also see that this is once again a raw display of political power. i would not be surprised if more trump surrogates don't, do similar things like this. i think it is interesting that rick scott is the first one to pioneer this process, noting that he has experience with fraud. also ken paxton, the texas attorney general who has also been charged with fraud in the past, made an appearance in new york recently, too. so you kind of of all of these people coalescing around it. we saw throughout the last few years how trump has used the party as a shield from accountability. what you are seeing now and will continue to see throughout 2024 is how he uses the political party is a shield

from criminal accountability and that is what trump hopes to gain from this process. >> we talk about it a lot, but i want to hammer it home. something that happened in the civil trial was that a law clerk became the target of donald trump and his attorneys and that law clerk, who was just essentially an anonymous public servant working in the room, was getting 50 calls a day. she had a security situation. her life was turned upside down. so now you have a situation in which trump is officially barred and a u.s. senator is coming up from d.c. to new york, explicitly, it appears, to do his dirty work. he goes after the family members. the daughter of the judge, who has nothing to do with the case. the wife of one of the attorneys who has nothing to do with the case. so as to be a vector for the same harassment, bullying, and intimidation for donald trump. >> this is so clearly the trump

playbook. we saw how trump did this to his primary opponents in 2016. you remember him going after jeb bush his wife and other people's lives. if you are trying to increase your standing in trump's republican party, you mimic what he does and his tactics and he is going to like you. >> it is notable. you know tim going after family members. it is notable to me. it struck me today. rick scott is there basically a trump's command. donald trump's wife is not there. none of his children are there. no family members are there. this is a 77-year-old man who is facing a criminal trial that originated in an affair he had with a woman while the current wife was nursing her infant, four-month-old son. in the later years of his life there is no family member to

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listen, if you want to know who is to blame for where we are right now, a finger can be directly pointed at the former president. the former president made it very clear and then did what he intended to do. he would pick three members of the united states supreme court with the intention that they would undo the protections of row and they did exact lee as he intended. >> joe biden and kamala harris are putting abortion rights front and center on the campaign trail. they understand reproductive rights are a central issue and provide one of the clearest distinctions between the candidates. it is also the subject in the latest episode of my podcast, why is this happening? in a special series on the stakes. we compare the presidential records, what they actually did, joe biden and donald trump

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i was born and raised in new york city in the bronx. when i went to high school in the 1990s, manhattan, one of my best friends in theater was a kid from northern manhattan, next to the bronx. this home video of our school theater group, he is the guy holding the camera. it just so happens on that day, our faculty advisor proposed that my friend write a musical, a student written musical for our signature group for the state. you can hear that moment at the very end of this tape. close attention. the kid in the blue shirt is me.

>> okay, you are on. you are on. >> okay, you are on. the guy behind the camera was a skinny eighth-grader named lin manuel miranda, who would go on to write a student written musical i directed and write the music and lyrics for the award-winning musical "in the heights," and of course "hamilton." i got to know his family well, including his dad, luis miranda, a legendary democratic little strategist in new york city. that a fascinating career, including that administrations of multiple new york city mayors, the senate campaigns of hillary clinton and chuck schumer, he's the founding president of the hispanic federation working to increase latino representation in politics. >> you want to consider to be a leader, make sure you accept and you vote for the people who you represent. >> joining me now is a veteran

democratic strategist luis miranda. it's great to have you here. >> thank you for having me here. >> when i was going through your book, you were talking about coming from puerto rico to the u.s. when you were 20 two study. one of the things that has driven me a little crazy about the current national discussion of immigration is it is so focused on the border and so focused on this problem. these people are coming here and it is a problem. the notion that lots of people come here and they bring with them amazing stuff and actually having a country that people want to come to is to have a good problem to have. i've been reading about your ingenuity and drive of coming here, i was reminded how much of that is dropped out of the conversation. >> there will be no hamilton. there would have been campaigns that i was part of. my wife, she's an amazing clinical psychologist, had worked very hard and our stories are not unique.

that's what i talk about in relentless. we are a typical latino family. many other latino families work hard and all they do is making sure that the kids are doing better. that's why we came. into the puerto rican experience is distinct in that you don't face the obstacles of the immigration system. it is both similar and different in many ways than the sort of immigrant experience. msnbc we don't have the paper shuffling, which is a huge deterrent. we have a similar experience. i talk about it in the book that my first six months here, i went to a post office, that is

the way in which i communicated with everyone in puerto rico to drop some letters and the guy says my name, he says miranda and i say yes. he said you're not one of my moran does. so, even them, it didn't matter. the experience, it is similar to that of many immigrants who are coming into the country. >> that extends to what you said, you worked in new york city politics. you came up in new york city politics. new york city politics are the most like ethnic, neighborhood by neighborhood. it is a very cosmopolitan place. people have their, they have their turf, they have their people. in some ways, negotiating difference is what all new york city politics is about. what did you learn from that? >> i learned that first you try

to figure out who is in the neighborhood. my neighborhood, washington heights, has changed over the last 42 years that we have been there as a family. who are the people who move in that neighborhood? when you are in local politics, you learn that you have to your so and so in crown heights because he has 10 guys that you need to knock doors and for people to open the doors. >> it is not just you are running some canvas operation. >> i hear a lot of what happens now and it is great. you need to count how many doors you not but it is better if you are knocking the stories with people who know who the door knocker's are. that is what you learn in new york city politics. for me, i talk about it in

"relentless," it is also the way i put together the hispanic federation because hispanic, now nx, was not a common thing. we were puerto ricans in new york, cubans in florida, mexicans in the southeast. all of a sudden, we realized, wait, people want to call us latino. that means that i'm not 1 million puerto rican and 1 million cubans and 50 million mexicans. now we are 70 million and now i'm going to go and negotiate. >> what is interesting, right, it can be a double-edged sword because then the question becomes, you talk about the hispanic vote or latino vote, obviously this is an enormous population of people whose politics, expenses, all these things run the gamut that when

we are talking about people from different places who came under different conditions, where to begin ! not in agreement, they are americans. do you think that national politics falls into the trap, particularly on the democratic side where they are like the latino vote, let's talk about immigration, for instance. if you talk to the tenet, it's all the stuff that other voters are most focused on. >> no doubt about it. the issue is that we come into the political equation, latinos, after decades of looking at minorities as black and white. >> and remains a conflict. >> blacks are base voters and we are losing some pieces of the white working class so we will work with them and all of a sudden comes this huge voting block. now, 62 million people in the

united states that have venezuelans who just migrated from a socialist country that they were leaving. and third generation cubans who still have the lingering feeling of fidel castro that their grandparents got with them. and puerto ricans from orlando are not the puerto rican second and third generation of my family, born and raised in new york. i campaigned heavily for a young woman in texas, who was running against the democratic candidate for ag. fifth generation mexican- american. so, we have to take all of that into consideration and the great thing about new york city and where i learned politics is that all politics are local,

even though we are playing in the national scene, all politics are local. >> luis miranda, the book is called "relentless," it is available now wherever you get your books. i hope i see you again soon. that does it for all in on this thursday night. alex wagner tonight's text right now. good evening, alex. >> i love the spirited conversation. it is a palate cleanser. >> he's a great guy, it's a great book. >> thank you for doing that for all of us. today, we got the news that the prosecution and donald trump's new york hush money case does not plan to call karen mcdougal to testify. if you remember, karen mcdougal is the former playboy model who received $150,000.00 in the lead up to the 2016 election as part of a catch and kill scheme with "the national enquirer" to stay quiet about her affair